DC Drama, not the TV kind.
Dec. 2nd, 2007 02:22 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ickaimpLong story short:
Knightus and MagicBulletGirl used to date. It was cute, they'd flirt inbetween translations and edits of new Conan chapters.
They broke up. It's been tense since then.
Occasionally I talk to either of them by IM. Knightus usually rants about MagicBulletGirl is ignoring him and not listening to his requests. MagicBulletGirl occasionally growls that Knightus won't leave her alone, but usually talks about homework, RL and various shoujo scanlation projects she's working on.
Long story in 'TL:DR' format:
Last month, someone on Knightus' cbox was using some of my artwork as an icon. I asked several times for them to stop, having the foul luck to catch them while they were offline. Knightus caught them online and repeated my request. They did so, they and I talked and made amends.
Two weeks ago, Knightus persistently asked me to talk to MagicBulletGirl to get her to stop her stealing his scanlations and posting them on her site, based on the fact that I was 'the only one she would listen to' and he 'had done me a favour', so I should pay him back.
I do not like being forced into the role of intermediary, but if something hinky is going on, I like to know. So I said I would look into it.
This is what I know.
MagicBulletGirl's site does host the full run of Detective Conan manga, as both the original translations by various translators and the re-edits, seeing as she helps organise the re-edits and does quite a few of them herself. On the case downloads page, she credits many people who contributed to the DC scanlations, including "Miyano and the rest of the Conan Scanlation Team." (Miyano is the current main translator at Knightus site)
On Knightus' site, MagicBulletGirl's name is not listed anywhere. This confuses me because I know MagicBulletGirl provided the original raw scans for over a year, and continued to work as an editor until Knightus took over that job a few months ago.
Back to MagicBulletGirl's site, unlike the other sites I know of that host and distribute Detective Conan manga, she has it divided up by cases, instead of volumes or chapters. Personally, I thought that was kinda cool.
I downloaded a few cases, found them to be the same ones I had already, no changes or edits, and with the credits still on there. Knightus' name is listed on the scans, where he put them. (If this is not the case, please send me the links)
-I shrugged, came to the conclusion that MagicBulletGirl was acting as a manga distro for both DC and other series that she works on. I know five other sites doing the same thing for DC and he's never complained about them.
So I went on with my life. Knightus had announced that he was studying for his LSAT and would be offline for the foreseeable future to concentrate on that and I decide to leave him to it, as this would probably be a distraction. And I'm a coward.
This past Wednesday, I was up waaaaaaay late typing that day's NaNo fic, MagicBulletGirl and Dogmatix helped me stay away while chatting about various things, mostly weather and music.
Thursday morning, I get an e-mail (note: I have changed her RL name to 'MBG' for privacy reasons):
29 Nov 2007 10:35
Regarding MBG's taking scanlations...
I gathered from your latest post on impfics that you might've had the chance to speak to MBG last night...
She is still taking the scanlations from my site and posting them on her own, even a file I clearly marked as not to be distributed without permission. And still ignoring my requests and communication, and it's not only getting old - it's really plain not right.
I was hoping you and I would be equally bothered by this... please help me out here? You're the only person who can speak to her I know, icky...
~Knight
... anyone else's hackles go up at that opening line, or is it just me?
Does anyone know what 'file is not to be distributed'? Has anyone seen any postings saying not to distribute the manga chapters? That should be a matter of public record, should it not?
My response:
29 Nov 2007 12:18
Re: Regarding MBG's taking scanlations...
Query... Do you not want MBG acting as a distro for the Knightus Team Manga Scanlations, or do you not want anyone at all distro-ing the Knightus manga scans?
-Icka!
My primary concern at this point being if he does not want his scans posted anywhere else at all, or if this is a private vendetta against MagicBulletGirl.
If it's the later, I don't want to have anything to do with it.
His response:
29 Nov 2007 19:50
Re: Regarding MBG's taking scanlations...
Well - In short, I don't want any person who disrespects a member of the group or myself, such as for example by not giving proper credit or ignoring their requests, hosting the scanlations - MBG is someone who has done both of those things.
So - it comes down to respect for me, though another issue I'd have is if a site hosted them without a clear warning that it was for evaluative or educational purposes, as some sort of replacement for Viz's CC mangas, but that's secondary to me really...
~Knighty
.... So it's not the distro, it's the fact that MagicBulletGirl 'doesn't respect him'.
I decide to hold off on saying anything, as he has the LSAT's this weekend and I did't want to distract him from preparing from that. Also, on the off-chance that he fails this exam, I do not want to be used as an excuse.
This is re-enforced by several posts on his livejournal about studying for the LSATs.
-Conversations between MagicBulletGirl and myself have not been posted because other than a case of trolls breaking out in her c-box last week, she hasn't really talked about him. Therefore there is nothing to post.
Friday night, I come home real late to find this e-mail:
30 Nov 2007 23:08
Never mind...
This Kid case seems to have opened an opportunity to make things "fair". ^^'
Best,
~Knightus
Several hours earlier, MagicBulletGirl had posted scanlations that she and a friend had done of file 631 to her livejournal, from scans she had done from Shonen Sunday.
Knightus had taken these scans, removed her scanning credits and website url from the front page, altered some of the text and posted them on his site with the header of '*Whistles*'. It now reads 'Translated by wagamamako at Endless Youth.'
You can compare the two scans page one here: MagicBulletGirl's, Knightus'.
The rest of the chapter is the same, although the zips alter in that MagicBulletGirl's contains a high-res Movie 12 poster that she also scanned in and Knightus' does not include this.
Wank broke out on Knightus' c-box. I have a copy of the tail part of it, it's rather high-tempered. There were two parts that Knightus said that I thought were interesting.
One was Knightus demanding that his name be put on the front page of her site, and next to all of the scans his team has done, because otherwise people don't know he did it until you open the zip.
.... aside from when multiple translators are working on the same chapter, like in One Piece, Tsubasa or Fairy Tale, has anyone seen a Distro put the name next to the zip? End of the zip file maybe, but not next to the link.
Two, was his comment that he hasn't talked to her in two weeks.
-please see that link at the top of the page, 'Knightus won't leave her alone'. Note the dates.
Also, wasn't he supposed to be studying for the LSATs today-?
Trolls have continued break out on both Knightus' and MagicBulletGirl's c-boxes. Usually with poor spelling.
As per Knightus' request, I have looked into his accusations of theft. This is what I have found. Please draw your own conclusions.
-any comments or responses, please Do NOT character bash. Trolling is not welcome here.
Thank you.
Knightus and MagicBulletGirl used to date. It was cute, they'd flirt inbetween translations and edits of new Conan chapters.
They broke up. It's been tense since then.
Occasionally I talk to either of them by IM. Knightus usually rants about MagicBulletGirl is ignoring him and not listening to his requests. MagicBulletGirl occasionally growls that Knightus won't leave her alone, but usually talks about homework, RL and various shoujo scanlation projects she's working on.
Long story in 'TL:DR' format:
Last month, someone on Knightus' cbox was using some of my artwork as an icon. I asked several times for them to stop, having the foul luck to catch them while they were offline. Knightus caught them online and repeated my request. They did so, they and I talked and made amends.
Two weeks ago, Knightus persistently asked me to talk to MagicBulletGirl to get her to stop her stealing his scanlations and posting them on her site, based on the fact that I was 'the only one she would listen to' and he 'had done me a favour', so I should pay him back.
I do not like being forced into the role of intermediary, but if something hinky is going on, I like to know. So I said I would look into it.
This is what I know.
MagicBulletGirl's site does host the full run of Detective Conan manga, as both the original translations by various translators and the re-edits, seeing as she helps organise the re-edits and does quite a few of them herself. On the case downloads page, she credits many people who contributed to the DC scanlations, including "Miyano and the rest of the Conan Scanlation Team." (Miyano is the current main translator at Knightus site)
On Knightus' site, MagicBulletGirl's name is not listed anywhere. This confuses me because I know MagicBulletGirl provided the original raw scans for over a year, and continued to work as an editor until Knightus took over that job a few months ago.
Back to MagicBulletGirl's site, unlike the other sites I know of that host and distribute Detective Conan manga, she has it divided up by cases, instead of volumes or chapters. Personally, I thought that was kinda cool.
I downloaded a few cases, found them to be the same ones I had already, no changes or edits, and with the credits still on there. Knightus' name is listed on the scans, where he put them. (If this is not the case, please send me the links)
-I shrugged, came to the conclusion that MagicBulletGirl was acting as a manga distro for both DC and other series that she works on. I know five other sites doing the same thing for DC and he's never complained about them.
So I went on with my life. Knightus had announced that he was studying for his LSAT and would be offline for the foreseeable future to concentrate on that and I decide to leave him to it, as this would probably be a distraction. And I'm a coward.
This past Wednesday, I was up waaaaaaay late typing that day's NaNo fic, MagicBulletGirl and Dogmatix helped me stay away while chatting about various things, mostly weather and music.
Thursday morning, I get an e-mail (note: I have changed her RL name to 'MBG' for privacy reasons):
29 Nov 2007 10:35
Regarding MBG's taking scanlations...
I gathered from your latest post on impfics that you might've had the chance to speak to MBG last night...
She is still taking the scanlations from my site and posting them on her own, even a file I clearly marked as not to be distributed without permission. And still ignoring my requests and communication, and it's not only getting old - it's really plain not right.
I was hoping you and I would be equally bothered by this... please help me out here? You're the only person who can speak to her I know, icky...
~Knight
... anyone else's hackles go up at that opening line, or is it just me?
Does anyone know what 'file is not to be distributed'? Has anyone seen any postings saying not to distribute the manga chapters? That should be a matter of public record, should it not?
My response:
29 Nov 2007 12:18
Re: Regarding MBG's taking scanlations...
Query... Do you not want MBG acting as a distro for the Knightus Team Manga Scanlations, or do you not want anyone at all distro-ing the Knightus manga scans?
-Icka!
My primary concern at this point being if he does not want his scans posted anywhere else at all, or if this is a private vendetta against MagicBulletGirl.
If it's the later, I don't want to have anything to do with it.
His response:
29 Nov 2007 19:50
Re: Regarding MBG's taking scanlations...
Well - In short, I don't want any person who disrespects a member of the group or myself, such as for example by not giving proper credit or ignoring their requests, hosting the scanlations - MBG is someone who has done both of those things.
So - it comes down to respect for me, though another issue I'd have is if a site hosted them without a clear warning that it was for evaluative or educational purposes, as some sort of replacement for Viz's CC mangas, but that's secondary to me really...
~Knighty
.... So it's not the distro, it's the fact that MagicBulletGirl 'doesn't respect him'.
I decide to hold off on saying anything, as he has the LSAT's this weekend and I did't want to distract him from preparing from that. Also, on the off-chance that he fails this exam, I do not want to be used as an excuse.
This is re-enforced by several posts on his livejournal about studying for the LSATs.
-Conversations between MagicBulletGirl and myself have not been posted because other than a case of trolls breaking out in her c-box last week, she hasn't really talked about him. Therefore there is nothing to post.
Friday night, I come home real late to find this e-mail:
30 Nov 2007 23:08
Never mind...
This Kid case seems to have opened an opportunity to make things "fair". ^^'
Best,
~Knightus
Several hours earlier, MagicBulletGirl had posted scanlations that she and a friend had done of file 631 to her livejournal, from scans she had done from Shonen Sunday.
Knightus had taken these scans, removed her scanning credits and website url from the front page, altered some of the text and posted them on his site with the header of '*Whistles*'. It now reads 'Translated by wagamamako at Endless Youth.'
You can compare the two scans page one here: MagicBulletGirl's, Knightus'.
The rest of the chapter is the same, although the zips alter in that MagicBulletGirl's contains a high-res Movie 12 poster that she also scanned in and Knightus' does not include this.
Wank broke out on Knightus' c-box. I have a copy of the tail part of it, it's rather high-tempered. There were two parts that Knightus said that I thought were interesting.
One was Knightus demanding that his name be put on the front page of her site, and next to all of the scans his team has done, because otherwise people don't know he did it until you open the zip.
.... aside from when multiple translators are working on the same chapter, like in One Piece, Tsubasa or Fairy Tale, has anyone seen a Distro put the name next to the zip? End of the zip file maybe, but not next to the link.
Two, was his comment that he hasn't talked to her in two weeks.
-please see that link at the top of the page, 'Knightus won't leave her alone'. Note the dates.
Also, wasn't he supposed to be studying for the LSATs today-?
Trolls have continued break out on both Knightus' and MagicBulletGirl's c-boxes. Usually with poor spelling.
As per Knightus' request, I have looked into his accusations of theft. This is what I have found. Please draw your own conclusions.
-any comments or responses, please Do NOT character bash. Trolling is not welcome here.
Thank you.